如果中国如此强大,为何身为美国人的我没有感受到中国的影响力?(一)
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If China is so powerful, why don't I, an American, see Chinese influence?

如果中国如此强大,为何身为美国人的我没有感受到中国的影响力?(一)


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Larry Park, former International Trade
upxed Jun 1
If you are an American not living in avery remote and isolated place, how come you don’t know that 400,000+ Chinesestudents are studying /living in America and each year they will spend about 30billion US Dollars in America ? There is no any other single country that cancontribute so much to America economy and education. Imagine how many teacherswill lose their jobs if those Chinese students are not here?
Do you know that there are about 2million Chinese visitors each year coming to the US? You don’t see all majortourist sites and stores in the US have signs in Chinese language? Each Chinesetourist would spend $6,000-$7,000 in America, imagine how many jobs have beencreated by that. You don’t do any shopping and see how many goods are importedfrom China?
Do you know that China will purchaseabout 7,000 Boeing aircraft in next 20 years (China has already boughtthousands of Boeing planes), is there any other country that contributes somuch to America’s economies? But the trade war will be a nightmare for Boeing,China will buy more from Airbus now for sure.
Do you know that besides America andRussia, China is also able to send astronauts to space and has the ability tobuild a permanent space station? China is the first country that can land aprobe to the “dark side’ of the moon.
Wonder if you know that the railroad andnew trains in Africa built by Chinese are even better than rail / trains inAmerica? And LA, Boston, NYC all have ordered subway trains made in China andthe first group of newly China built trains have been in operation in Bostonsubway. By the way , high speed train system is all over China with a speed of350 km/ hour while here in the USA we don’t have any of it, even in the richeststate California we don’t have funds to build one.
Do you know that China is the biggestoversea market for three major US automakers ? In 2017, Buick sold 1,229,804cars in China, Ford sold 951,396 and Chevrolet sold 538,671. Is that the dreamof any automaker in the world?
maybe you don’t know that China 2017 Boxoffice : Hollywood movies grab 3.26 billions US dollars ? Is there any biggeroversea market for Hollywood ? Nope.
Do you know Chinese have bought manyAmerican icon businesses including :
Forbes Manazine , Chicago Stock Exchange,AMC (2.6 billions), Smith Foods ( 7.1 b), Legendary movie studio (3.5 b), GEAppliance division ( 5.4 b), The Waldorf-Astoia (2 b), Ingram Micro ( 6 b),Motorola (2.9 b), Ritz-Carlton (3.9b).
If you are an American, you don’t knowthat the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which ownsmore than $1.24 trillion? Without borrowed money from China, US government willbe closed.
Do you know that without China’s vote, UNcould not pass sanctions against N. Korea?
Obviously people don’t know these factsbecause they don’t get any positive news from the American media no matter themedia of the left or right, CNN or FOX, American and any WEST media don’t liketo tell people the truth about China , they only fed you negatives about China.

Larry Park 前国际贸易者
如果你不是生活在一个非常偏远和孤立的地方的美国人,你怎么会不知道有40多万中国学生在美国学习/生活并且每年将在美国花费大约300亿美元这事儿呢? 没有任何一个国家能对美国的经济和教育做出如此大的贡献。想象一下,如果这些中国学生不在这里,有多少老师会失业?

你知道每年大约有200万中国游客来美国吗?你没看到美国所有的主要旅游景点和商店都有中文标志吗? 每个中国游客在美国的消费为6000到7000美元,想象一下这创造了多少就业机会。另外看看有多少商品是从中国进口的?
你知道中国在未来20年内将购买大约7000架波音飞机(中国已经购买了数千架波音飞机),还有其他国家有对美国经济做出如此大的贡献吗?贸易战对波音来说将是一场噩梦,中国现在肯定会从空客购买更多。

你知道吗,除了美国和俄罗斯,中国也有能力将宇航员送入太空,并且有能力建立一个永久性的空间站。中国是第一个能将探测器发射到月球背面的国家。
我好奇你是否知道中国人在非洲建造的铁路和新火车比美国的铁路/火车还要好?洛杉矶、波士顿和纽约都订购了中国制造的地铁列车,首批中国制造的列车已经在波士顿地铁运营。
顺便说一下,高速铁路系统以350公里/小时的速度遍布中国,而在美国,我们没有任何高速铁路系统,即使在最富裕的加州,我们也没有资金建造高速铁路。
你知道中国是美国三大汽车制造商最大的海外市场吗?2017年,别克在中国售出1229,804辆汽车,福特售出951,396辆,雪佛兰售出538,671辆。这难道不是世界上任何一家汽车制造商的梦想吗?



Thiago Francisco
Jan 20, 2018 · 84upvotes
Brazilian here. I know Bruce Lee, Jet Li,Ang Lee, Chow Yun Fat, Bolo Yeung, Jackie Chan, Jack Ma, Jiang Kai Shek, JiangZemin, Xi Jinping, Li Keqiang, Hu Jintao, Mao Tse Tung, Kung Fu Zi, ChenZhizhao, Xiao Mi, Huawey, Alibaba, WeChat, Lenovo, ZTE, Tencent, Baidu,Foxconn, CCTV, Xinhua, Chengdu J-10 and Dongfeng Missile. That’s all I knowfrom China.
Yes, I wish we could know more from China other than Made in China.

我是巴西人。
我知道李小龙,李连杰,李安,周润发,杨紫琼,成龙,马云,蒋介石,中国历来重要领导人,Kung Fu Zi,ChenZhizhao(译者不认识),小米,华为,阿里巴巴,微信,联想,中兴,腾讯,百度,富士康,中央电视台,新华社,成都j - 10和东风导弹。这是我关于中国所知道的一切。
是的,我希望我们能从中国了解更多,而不是中国制造。

Lucas Ponzo
Jun 25, 2018 · 16upvotes including Larry Park
Nice list, I would add the legendary SunTzu, author of The Art of War, wich influences so many people even in presentdays.

写得不错。我想加上传奇的孙子,《孙子兵法》的作者,影响了很多人,即使在今天。

Will Whalen
Mar 27 · 2upvotes
Extremely important man in militaryhistory and strategy, his writing is studied at western military academies aswell as in the East.

他是军事史和战略史上极其重要的人物,西方军事院校和东方军事院校都在研究他的著作。

Fabian Mok
Jan 30, 2018 · 17upvotes including Thiago Francisco
Michelle Yeoh is Malaysian for Christsakes…

杨紫琼因基督的缘故,是马来人……

Thiago Francisco
Jan 31, 2018 · 8upvotes
Thanks for correcting me!

感谢纠正!



Al Allington
Jul 3, 2018 · 5upvotes including Larry Park
Very true.
But we have a Chinese restaurant in everytown/city over 3,000 people and that’s culture influence!
BTW: I live in China part time andembarrassed to say, I know very little mandarin but celebrate three majorChinese holidays in China, nearly every year. New Year/Spring Festival, MidAutumn Festival and National Day. I will be there for two of three in lateSeptember.

说的对。
但我们这里每一个人口超过3000的镇子/城市都有中国餐馆,这就是文化影响力!
顺便一说:我偶尔在中国生活,不好意思说,我几乎不懂普通话,但每年都会在中国庆祝三个主要的中国节日。新年/春节,中秋节和国庆节。9月下旬,我将在那里参加三场节日中的两场。

Ian Yu
Mar 31, 2018 · 23upvotes
Probably because the States have manyclosed minded people. I live in Toronto, where people definitely see Chineseinfluence. Most people I know would at least know a word or two, includingbeggers on street who said 謝謝 ( thank you) to me.
My condo has a teb year old kid fromBelgium, blonde hair blue eyes and speak Chinese with perfect accent.
Many people use chopsticks better than Ido. They also know why we don't leave chopsticks forked on rice. They alsotaught me the difference of chopsticks between Japan, Korea, and China. Hell,older generation still know Chiang Kai Shek and talk about the history at thetime.
Point is, you can't blame someone'signorance on yourself.

可能是因为美国有很多思想封闭的人。我住在多伦多,那里的人们肯定看到了中国的影响。我知道的大多数人至少知道一个词或两个,包括街头的乞丐都会对我说“谢谢”。
我的公寓里有一个来自比利时的小孩,金发碧眼,操一口纯正的中文。许多人用筷子比我用得好。他们也知道为什么我们不把筷子叉在米饭上。他们还教我日本、韩国和中国的筷子的不同之处。见鬼,老一辈人还知道蒋介石,并谈论当时的历史。
重点是,你不能把别人的无知归咎于你自己。



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Pablo Djankowicz Ruizinowitz, Have livedin China and am interested in its history
Answered Sep 25, 2016
This is China’s powerful influence in your life—the “Made in China” labelis probably on 90% of the things you own in your home. That means that thoseproducts were actually constructed and then assembled in China. And if it says“Made in Japan,” “Made in Taiwan,” “Made in Korea,” or “Made in Germany,” youcan bet that 50% to 90% of the components inside these machines, like cars,have been made in China but assembled in the aforementioned countries.
Inflation has been very low in the U.S. over the past 20 years, which ismostly because products made in China are way cheaper, which keeps prices formost goods down, leading to lower inflation. Lower inflation means that you canexpect your savings to hold their purchasing power for longer, and it has abunch of other positive knock-on effects in the U.S. economy, which youindirectly benefit from. That’s China’s power in your pocketbook.
Treasury bonds—what the U.S. federal government issues out to the marketsto keep the government paid and working—are mostly bought by the Chinese now.That means that the U.S. government is borrowing from Chinese savers to fund alot of what the government does, including Medicare, Social Security, andmilitary spending (the three biggest government programs that swallow up themost tax dollars). People, specially old people, in the U.S. have gottenspoiled—they want lower taxes, but they don’t want the U.S. government to lowerexpenditures on Medicare, Social Security and the military to make up for thoselower taxes. The U.S. government has to somehow make this work, so it goes toChina to ask for money, and the Chinese are more than willing to give thatmoney. So you enjoy lower taxes because of China.
Then we can’t forget about food—as an American, you’ve probably eatenChinese takeout food at least once this past month. So that’s China’s culinaryinfluence in your life.
And we’re just talking about the influence of modern China here. AncientChina’s influence on your life is even more basic, pervasive and crucial, sinceall the following life necessities you definitely use every day came fromChina:
modern paper
paper cups and paper napkins
toilet paper (so going to the bathroom in comfort every day, which meansyou don’t have to use leaves, or a cloth that you wash (the preferred Europeanmethod before they decided to go Chinese with their bums), or a smooth longstick (the preferred Japanese method, which is confusing because I don’t evenknow how that physically works), or your hand…ugh…)
toothbrushes (Europeans never bothered to brush or they just gargled withwater and used twigs to brush, while the Romans used their fingers or twigswith urine to clean their teeth…ughhhhhhh…)
noodles
printed books and pamphlets
paper money
restaurant menus
playing cards
paper envelopes
wrapping paper
the predecessor to all the clocks in your life
the predecessors to all the entrance examinations you will take in yourlife, like the SAT and the ACT
porcelain (which is practically in all the plates you now use)
silk (which is in some of the clothes you own)
gunpowder (like in fireworks, for example)
the predecessors of the compasses on your smartphone or GPS
steel (which is practically in all the machines you own)
dominoes
fishing reels
kites
matches
—using natural gas as a fuel (like in your stove or water heater in yourhouse)
—cast iron
—tofu


现代纸
纸杯和餐巾纸
厕纸(每天舒适地上厕所,这意味着你不用用树叶或洗衣服)(在他们采用中国的办法之前,他们首选欧洲的方法),要么就用一根光滑的长棍(首选的日本方法,这是令人困惑的,因为我甚至不知道这是如何工作的),要么就用你的手…
牙刷(欧洲人从来不刷牙,他们只是用水漱口,用树枝刷牙,而罗马人用手指或沾着尿的树枝刷牙……)
面条
印刷书籍和小册子
纸币
餐厅菜单
扑克牌
纸信封
包装纸
你生命中所有时钟的前身
你一生中所有入学考试的前身,比如SAT和ACT
瓷器(几乎在你现在使用的所有盘子里都是)

丝绸(在你的一些衣服里)
火药(比如烟花)
智能手机或GPS上指南针的前身
钢铁(实际上在你所有的机器中都有)
多米诺骨牌
钓鱼卷
风筝
火柴
天然气
生铁
豆腐
还有一堆你会觉得太无聊的事情。

所有这些都是中国古代发明的。
欧洲人只是从中国人那里,直接或间接地从中东或印度商人那里,把这些发明带到了中国,为了他们自己的目的对它们进行了一些修改,然后把所有这些美妙的东西带到了美国。
欧洲人声称这些发明是他们自己的,因为,你知道。欧洲人靠自己发明了许多伟大的东西,使现代生活变得容易,但他们总是贪婪地说他们是如何发明了世界上所有的东西,这是如此不真实/笑,/摇我的头。
这就是你生活中中国的影响。

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Seth Oteng, Lived in China for 6 years
Answered May 24
Yeah you will not see the Chinese influence because you read the biasedwestern media news. Your American media keeps casting China in a negative lightand ignoring China’s achievements in your everyday live.
Here’re ways Chinese influence you. Lets exam
China directly affects the U.S. dollar by loosely pegging the valueof its currency, the yuan, to the dollar. You don’t use the dollar?
U.S. manufacturing jobs have beendisappearing for years. Didn’t you hear Foxconn is employing 803,126 employees?
Just walk into any section of a Wal-Mart. China manufactures about80% of all items sold in the U.S. You never use MADE IN CHINA item?


从国际金融到人权争议,从全球范围内对中国日益崛起的国际影响力的报道,再到中国的“经济奇迹”,今天的中国从来没有离开过新闻。
这似乎是一个充满矛盾的国家:一个有着世界上最具未来主义色彩城市的农民社会,一个仍在努力寻找现代身份的古老文明的继承者。
我希望你们开始了解这个世界上人口最多的国家,对中国现代社会、文化、经济、政治和艺术有一个全面的了解。

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Nat Finney, Some kind of Chemistry/PharmacyProfessor (1997-present)
Answered Feb 10, 2018
I am an American who has lived in China forthree years. (And very much like living here.) My opinion is not as factual,and surely not as broadly informed, as many of the others so well-expressedhere.
But something I notice, from the inside,is that China usually plays “the long game.” They are bellicose when they seeit serving their immediate interests. But they see little advantage inAmerican- or Russian-style braggadocio. They are more likely to exert theirinfluence quietly and economically.
As ne example, China has investedheavily in the economy of Africa. All of the major universities I have visitedin China have a noticeable and growing number of African students. Many of themare here to study Chinese. To advance their economic opportunities - back inAfrica, where so much of the investment comes from China. (And they’reincredibly excited by this.)
China has made quiet, welcome inroadsthere, a part of the world that has largely been ignored by Western countries.They are happy without international acknowledgment, much of the time. Theyhave a plan, they have a policy, and the money to invest in them.
I do not pretend to know what thelong-term plan is. But I don’t think it involves showing off to othercountries. (Beyond what is necessary to be taken seriously at a high levelinternationally.)
An amusing final note: If Chinese popculture was embraced by American youth the way American pop culture is embracedby Chinese youth? You would be seeing Chinese characters on >50% of theclothing young people wear.
(My apologies for the extent to which myresponse overlaps with others. But I hoped that a personal perspective mightuseful.)

Nat Finney, 化学/药学教授 (1997至今)
我是一个在中国生活了三年的美国人。(非常喜欢住在这里。)我的观点不像这里其他许多表达得很好的观点那样具有事实依据,当然也不像它们那么广博。
但我注意到,从内部看,中国通常玩的是“长期游戏”。“当他们看到这符合他们眼前利益时,他们就会变得好斗。但他们在美国式或俄式的自卖自夸中看不到什么优势。他们更有可能悄无声息地在经济上施加影响

例如,中国对非洲经济进行了大量投资。在我访问过的所有中国主要大学中,非洲学生的数量都在显著增长。他们中的许多人来这里学习汉语。促进他们的经济机会——回到非洲,那里有如此多的投资来自中国。(他们对此非常兴奋。)
中国在世界上很大程度上被西方国家所忽视的地区,已经取得了安静而受欢迎的进展。大多数时候,他们在没有国际承认的情况下是快乐的。他们有一个计划,他们有一个政策,还有投资的钱。

我不会假装知道其长期计划是什么。但我不认为这包括向其他国家炫耀。(超出了国际高层认真对待的必要范围。)
最后一个有趣的提示:如果中国流行文化被美国年轻人所接受,就像美国流行文化被中国年轻人所接受一样的话,你将会在一半的年轻人穿的衣服上看到汉字。
(我为我的回答与他人的重复而道歉。但我希望个人的观点可能会有用。)

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Benson Liu
Answered Oct 18, 2017
Interesting question. Here is a perspectivefrom a native Chinese, who has been living in USA for 2 years.
I personally assume that, when people aretalking about “influence I feel”, they are actually talking about “businesswith me”.
For example, here are the Top 5 on theFortune Global 500 in 2017:
Walmart(USA)
State Grid(China)
SinopecGroup (China)
ChinaNational Petroleum (China)
Toyota Motor(Japan)
3 out of 5 are Chinese companies.
You surely know Walmart, because you buystuff there. You know Toyota, because you, or someone you know, owns a Toyota.You know them because they do business with you directly.
You don't know much about State Grid,because you don't need electricity from China. You don't need petroleum from agas station in China either, so you don't know Sinopec or National Petroleum.You just have no business with them.
Probably you are not familiar with those3 companies because they are focusing on domestic business. As for companiesinvolved in globalization, however, same thing is happening- they do not havebusiness with you.
Consider iPhone. You know Apple Inc. Butmaybe you don't know that all iPhones are manufactured by 18 global OEMcompanies, and 14 of them are from China. They do business with Apple Inc, butnot with you.
Then I would like to make a comparisonwith Japan because they are both East Asian countries, while Japan is moreglobally well-known than China.
First, everything about industry.
Japan has lots of companies with“well-known Big names”, like Toyota, Sony, or Mitsubishi, while China has none.I think the main reason is that Japan gradually industrialized, starting duringthe Meiji Restoration in 1868. In the 1940’s, Japan almost finished itsindustrialization and was able to wage war against the USA. But China startedits industrialization no sooner than 1949 (before 1949, most of industrialproducts like cars or radios were imported). If you take the political chaosduring the 1960’s to 1970’s into consideration, China actually only gotstarted in 1980’s. You can see Japan is over 100 years ahead of China.China was weak at the industry level in the beginning. I mean very, very weak,not able to do anything more than providing a labor force. But Japan has muchmore experience in industry/production to rely on, so re-establishing globalindustrial enterprises after WWII was no big challenge for Japanese.
Then, everything about culture.


首先,工业领域的所有东西。
日本有许多“知名大公司”,如丰田、索尼或三菱,而中国没有。我认为主要原因是日本从1868年明治维新时期开始逐步工业化。在20世纪40年代,日本几乎完成了工业化,能够对美国发动战争。但是中国是在1949年才开始工业化的(1949年以前,大部分工业产品如汽车和收音机都是进口的)。如果你把六十年代到七十年代的政治混乱考虑进去,中国实际上是在八十年代才开始的。

你可以看到日本比中国领先100多年。一开始,中国的产业水平很弱。我的意思是,非常非常虚弱,除了提供劳动力,什么都做不了。
但是日本有更多的工业/生产经验可以依靠,所以二战后重建全球工业企业对日本来说并不是一个大的挑战。
然后是关于文化的一切。

毫无疑问,日本在推广本国文化方面比中国更成功。有些人把中国的失败归咎于严格的审查制度。这是正确的。所有的电影、电视剧甚至卡通片都受到严格审查。没有太多的“自由”去创作,所以低质量是直接的结果。这背后的事实是,中国有更多的社会问题。与日本不同,中国的政治、民族和宗教冲突更多。为了使这个国家远离内战,中国政府已经尽了最大努力将那些“可能引起骚乱”的声音降到最低。

中国禁止了数百部好电影,建立了防火长城,并赶走了谷歌和Facebook。中国不能和你们做文化生意,即使它真的想做。
因此,其结果是,中国与美国人没有直接的工业或文化业务。这就是为什么你根本感受不到中国的影响。
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